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The Gaming Sidebar => Off Topic Gaming => Topic started by: Slayer7744 on December 06, 2017, 09:56:57 AM

Title: Microtransactions / Loot Crates
Post by: Slayer7744 on December 06, 2017, 09:56:57 AM
"If this discusson quiets down, the ability to make changes goes away, which is exactly what Wall Street and the big gaming companies are waiting for"

https://youtu.be/XTURChcYM9A
Title: Re: Microtransactions / Loot Crates
Post by: AkyraStrike on December 07, 2017, 08:23:01 AM
"If this discusson quiets down, the ability to make changes goes away, which is exactly what Wall Street and the big gaming companies are waiting for"

The only way there will be a lasting impact and change is if people continue to vote with their wallets, it's the only outcry that these greedy companies listen to, as hard as it can be to resist those shiny new games, we all need to hold off on buying, and especially preordering, any games that employ these predatory tactics.
Title: Re: Microtransactions / Loot Crates
Post by: spazmanaught on December 07, 2017, 08:48:36 AM
"If this discusson quiets down, the ability to make changes goes away, which is exactly what Wall Street and the big gaming companies are waiting for"

The only way there will be a lasting impact and change is if people continue to vote with their wallets, it's the only outcry that these greedy companies listen to, as hard as it can be to resist those shiny new games, we all need to hold off on buying, and especially preordering, any games that employ these predatory tactics.

Yep this. I'm with @Slayer7744 on the SWBF2 thing and will go pre-owned so they get nuddin'. People like @mimix who buy at full tote are the enemy   :troll:  ......................boyaiaiaiai boi!

But seriously the only way they learn is with dollars and the threat enough has worked.
Title: Re: Microtransactions / Loot Crates
Post by: mimix on December 07, 2017, 11:53:16 AM
"If this discusson quiets down, the ability to make changes goes away, which is exactly what Wall Street and the big gaming companies are waiting for"

The only way there will be a lasting impact and change is if people continue to vote with their wallets, it's the only outcry that these greedy companies listen to, as hard as it can be to resist those shiny new games, we all need to hold off on buying, and especially preordering, any games that employ these predatory tactics.

Yep this. I'm with @Slayer7744 on the SWBF2 thing and will go pre-owned so they get nuddin'. People like @mimix who buy at full tote are the enemy   :troll:  ......................boyaiaiaiai boi!

But seriously the only way they learn is with dollars and the threat enough has worked.

Ouch!

I had a big rant here about other games doing the same etc etc but I don't see the point dragging it out.

Yeah they tried to push a little bit more than previously and got ripped for it.
All we can hope is that all devs/publishers learn from it and get back to gameplay rather than trying to gouge the extra $
Title: Re: Microtransactions / Loot Crates
Post by: Ant on December 07, 2017, 12:09:13 PM
All we can hope is that all devs/publishers learn from it and get back to gameplay rather than trying to gouge the extra $

But the shareholders demand 10% year on year growth, so they either need to find more gamers or gouge us somehow!
Title: Re: Microtransactions / Loot Crates
Post by: spazmanaught on December 07, 2017, 12:12:30 PM
"If this discusson quiets down, the ability to make changes goes away, which is exactly what Wall Street and the big gaming companies are waiting for"

The only way there will be a lasting impact and change is if people continue to vote with their wallets, it's the only outcry that these greedy companies listen to, as hard as it can be to resist those shiny new games, we all need to hold off on buying, and especially preordering, any games that employ these predatory tactics.

Yep this. I'm with @Slayer7744 on the SWBF2 thing and will go pre-owned so they get nuddin'. People like @mimix who buy at full tote are the enemy   :troll:  ......................boyaiaiaiai boi!

But seriously the only way they learn is with dollars and the threat enough has worked.
All we can hope is that all devs/publishers learn from it and get back to gameplay rather than trying to gouge the extra $

I don't get it? @mimix made sense and even a good point? mmmmmm must be a double agent  :P
Title: Re: Microtransactions / Loot Crates
Post by: AkyraStrike on December 07, 2017, 12:59:32 PM
All we can hope is that all devs/publishers learn from it and get back to gameplay rather than trying to gouge the extra $

But the shareholders demand 10% year on year growth, so they either need to find more gamers or gouge us somehow!

One of the other common arguments is that development costs have risen by 'x' amount, but I watched a video the other day that included an analysis on EA's spending and they are spending less now than they were in 2012, so that doesn't exactly fly either.

(side note: should this discussion be split off (maybe from slayers post on) into a thread about 'Microtransactions / Loot Crates' in games as its a discussion worth expanding on?)
Title: Re: Microtransactions / Loot Crates
Post by: mimix on December 07, 2017, 01:25:55 PM
Good call... I'll take this as an opportunity to do my first split... prepare for death.

edit: light on my feet this time and performed the perfect pirouette to escape the blades of death. Now have at it!
Title: Re: Microtransactions / Loot Crates
Post by: spazmanaught on December 07, 2017, 03:25:05 PM
I don't believe the bullshite about costs! Lets review Spaz style:

BF3 = Frostbite
BF4 = Frostbite 2
SWBF = Frostbite 2
SWBF2 = Frostbite 3

COD 2006 = IW 2.0 Engine
COD 2016 = IW 7.0 Engine

I see the trend here being very little 'new' just improvements on the current. Sounds like new versions of cars. Same shite just a few new features to pay for the same production line to keep costs low. Spaz must be some sort of genius to know and work this out!

TRUMP FOR LIFE!
Title: Re: Microtransactions / Loot Crates
Post by: AkyraStrike on December 07, 2017, 03:30:31 PM
An interesting video that looks into EA / BF2 issues in particular:

https://youtu.be/T_1fpTzUb08
Title: Re: Microtransactions / Loot Crates
Post by: spazmanaught on December 07, 2017, 03:54:22 PM
After watching that vid I now know why they haven't done BFBC3. They will want loot boxes/microtransactions and the backlash from the BC fans would be loud and massively damaging .................................. Spaz knows!
Title: Re: Microtransactions / Loot Crates
Post by: AkyraStrike on December 07, 2017, 04:03:49 PM
After watching that vid I now know why they haven't done BFBC3. They will want loot boxes/microtransactions and the backlash from the BC fans would be loud and massively damaging .................................. Spaz knows!

As much as I want BFBC3... I fear that this is exactly what we would get... loot boxes and pay to win microtransaction.

Here's another interesting video I've come across telling the story of a gambling addict who spent 13k on microtransactions.

https://youtu.be/aUXpTBM1vMM

Title: Re: Microtransactions / Loot Crates
Post by: Slayer7744 on December 07, 2017, 04:18:42 PM
EA would almost certainly cash in on the nostalgia by implementing every microtransaction known to man into BC3.

Not only that but it will launch with 6 - 7 maps, probably less destruction physics than BC2, none of the gunplay that made BC2 fun and have a Premium Pass for $80 for future maps.
Title: Re: Microtransactions / Loot Crates
Post by: AkyraStrike on December 07, 2017, 04:20:27 PM
EA would almost certainly cash in on the nostalgia by implementing every microtransaction known to man into BC3.

Not only that but it will launch with 6 - 7 maps, probably less destruction physics than BC2, none of the gunplay that made BC2 fun and have a Premium Pass for $80 for future maps.

And as a final kick in the teeth to fans, said DLC map packs will be the classic BC2 maps remastered.
Title: Re: Microtransactions / Loot Crates
Post by: Ant on December 07, 2017, 05:23:26 PM
EA would almost certainly cash in on the nostalgia by implementing every microtransaction known to man into BC3.

Not only that but it will launch with 6 - 7 maps, probably less destruction physics than BC2, none of the gunplay that made BC2 fun and have a Premium Pass for $80 for future maps.

And as a final kick in the teeth to fans, said DLC map packs will be the classic BC2 maps remastered.

Will that include remastered, remastered BC maps?
Title: Re: Microtransactions / Loot Crates
Post by: Slayer7744 on December 07, 2017, 05:41:15 PM
EA would almost certainly cash in on the nostalgia by implementing every microtransaction known to man into BC3.

Not only that but it will launch with 6 - 7 maps, probably less destruction physics than BC2, none of the gunplay that made BC2 fun and have a Premium Pass for $80 for future maps.

And as a final kick in the teeth to fans, said DLC map packs will be the classic BC2 maps remastered.

Will that include remastered, remastered BC maps?

Of course.
Title: Re: Microtransactions / Loot Crates
Post by: euphoricx on December 07, 2017, 08:03:52 PM
"If this discusson quiets down, the ability to make changes goes away, which is exactly what Wall Street and the big gaming companies are waiting for"

The only way there will be a lasting impact and change is if people continue to vote with their wallets, it's the only outcry that these greedy companies listen to, as hard as it can be to resist those shiny new games, we all need to hold off on buying, and especially preordering, any games that employ these predatory tactics.

Aside from boycotting, we can vote with our wallets by supporting the devs who do it right by the gamers. ie CD Projekt RED. I cannot praise them enough for the amount of effort they must have poured into creating the Witcher 3. The base game was huge on its own and actually made you WANT dlc/expansions to prolong the experience.
Title: Re: Microtransactions / Loot Crates
Post by: AkyraStrike on December 08, 2017, 08:25:26 AM
Aside from boycotting, we can vote with our wallets by supporting the devs who do it right by the gamers. ie CD Projekt RED. I cannot praise them enough for the amount of effort they must have poured into creating the Witcher 3. The base game was huge on its own and actually made you WANT dlc/expansions to prolong the experience.

This is true. CDPR are almost like a unicorn though, theres not too many devs out there that get it as right as they do, their DLC alone would be bigger than some full releases.
Title: Re: Microtransactions / Loot Crates
Post by: AkyraStrike on December 08, 2017, 10:23:13 AM
Welp, if I hadn't already given up on Destiny 2, I will very much do so now:

https://youtu.be/oo210xQjzjI
Title: Re: Microtransactions / Loot Crates
Post by: Slayer7744 on December 08, 2017, 11:37:44 AM
Aside from boycotting, we can vote with our wallets by supporting the devs who do it right by the gamers. ie CD Projekt RED. I cannot praise them enough for the amount of effort they must have poured into creating the Witcher 3. The base game was huge on its own and actually made you WANT dlc/expansions to prolong the experience.

This is true. CDPR are almost like a unicorn though, theres not too many devs out there that get it as right as they do, their DLC alone would be bigger than some full releases.

I hope Cyberpunk 2077 sells like hotcakes to let all these Games-For-Service obsessed publishers know we still care about Singleplayer experiences.
Title: Re: Microtransactions / Loot Crates
Post by: AkyraStrike on December 11, 2017, 02:07:06 PM
For those that didnt catch the VGA's, EA copped it a bit:

https://youtu.be/91_yIAqBwbU
Title: Re: Microtransactions / Loot Crates
Post by: M-Rossi on December 12, 2017, 12:46:25 PM
Aside from boycotting, we can vote with our wallets by supporting the devs who do it right by the gamers. ie CD Projekt RED. I cannot praise them enough for the amount of effort they must have poured into creating the Witcher 3. The base game was huge on its own and actually made you WANT dlc/expansions to prolong the experience.
Sometimes the producer can get their way over the developer e.g. shadow of War. Monolith did a fantastic job but we're forced by Warner brothers to put microtransactions in. Good to see the way shadow of War made it unnecessary and how they keep releaseing free content.
I'm more inclined to support smaller studios via early access then pre order from AAA publishers now days.
Title: Re: Microtransactions / Loot Crates
Post by: AkyraStrike on December 12, 2017, 02:21:05 PM
I'm more inclined to support smaller studios via early access then pre order from AAA publishers now days.

Isn't that what Destiny 1 was up until the taken king and what Destiny 2 is now..? Early access :troll:
(sorry, couldn't help the cheap shot).

Early access also has it's risks, and its fair share of devs just looking for a cash grab. But in general I think everyone needs to stop with the pre-ordering, and stop with the blind following of the big devs and look at some of the dross that EA, Activision, Ubisoft and others have served up and compare that to some great games made by smaller studios.

Title: Re: Microtransactions / Loot Crates
Post by: AkyraStrike on December 28, 2017, 08:59:05 AM
https://youtu.be/YIv-0tSt0cI
Title: Re: Microtransactions / Loot Crates
Post by: M-Rossi on January 25, 2018, 08:15:21 AM
An interesting video
https://youtu.be/VhWGQCzAtl8
Title: Re: Microtransactions / Loot Crates
Post by: spazmanaught on January 25, 2018, 08:30:58 AM
An interesting video
https://youtu.be/VhWGQCzAtl8

Yeah that bloke is a dope!

So in his summary there are no other options but loot boxes/microtransactions? Really? Loot boxes/microtransactions are the easiest of plenty of options. That vid tells me gamers are softening to the idea of pay to play and it's a done deal. Spaz is retiring.
Title: Re: Microtransactions / Loot Crates
Post by: AkyraStrike on January 25, 2018, 10:44:03 AM
Given that there's numerous reports out there showing that its cheaper now to produce AAA titles than it ever has been and, EA's current situation aside, major studios are making more profit than ever, his summary that games should cost more to eliminate pay to win / microtransactions is a complete farce.

Big companies are always going to be greedy and push for more profits, it doesn't matter how much the starting price is for a game, set it to $80 USD and there will still be microtransactions / loot boxes, I guarantee it.
Title: Re: Microtransactions / Loot Crates
Post by: AkyraStrike on January 30, 2018, 10:55:44 AM
An interesting video
https://youtu.be/VhWGQCzAtl8

Jim Sterling's retort:

https://youtu.be/_ksqAZmjtzs
Title: Re: Microtransactions / Loot Crates
Post by: StoneColdHomer on February 14, 2018, 09:40:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yFdW0JBhC4
Title: Re: Microtransactions / Loot Crates
Post by: spazmanaught on February 18, 2018, 04:52:23 PM
https://youtu.be/L19bGOFXgYg
Title: Re: Microtransactions / Loot Crates
Post by: M-Rossi on February 21, 2018, 06:07:44 PM
https://youtu.be/PTLFNlu2N_M
Title: Re: Microtransactions / Loot Crates
Post by: StoneColdHomer on February 28, 2018, 08:55:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daU-fZzgeZ0

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Microtransactions / Loot Crates
Post by: spazmanaught on March 01, 2018, 09:48:58 AM
lol so how do they put a sticker on a digital copy?
Title: Re: Microtransactions / Loot Crates
Post by: spazmanaught on April 02, 2018, 08:06:47 AM
we all lose!

https://youtu.be/Q-RLUeU8O7U
Title: Re: Microtransactions / Loot Crates
Post by: M-Rossi on April 26, 2018, 07:25:11 AM
https://youtu.be/DdXxJn9VOQs
Title: Re: Microtransactions / Loot Crates
Post by: M-Rossi on April 27, 2018, 07:22:03 AM
https://youtu.be/sEjADoTRpDw
Title: Re: Microtransactions / Loot Crates
Post by: spazmanaught on May 08, 2018, 08:16:07 AM
Plungie just don't give up!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH-85V8yejY
Title: Re: Microtransactions / Loot Crates
Post by: spazmanaught on September 19, 2018, 04:19:25 PM
lol AUS FTW  :P

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl7A6bRKPDU